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The newest version I have is 1997 and that is Perelandra....Sadly
Parm i believe it is going the way of the dodo.....

 

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No, NOooooooo! It can't die out! I'll admit the Cronicles of Narnia are an easier read - at least for me. But I really got a lot out of the space series.

I too waited till I was an adult to read them. Somehow I was afraid that 'adult' meant 'children should not read' rather than 'adults may enjoy this more'. Smile

 

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Soj...I suspected as such about that trilogy. I am afraid our science sophistication has rendered those books quaint archaisms at best and
laughingly out-of-touch with science by those more candid in their observations. Even so, I hope they will be republished for their literary,
rather than scientific, merits.

 

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Well, I don't know about new versions (mine are several years old) but I do know that in the town I live in, there's a very small locally-owned bookshop that doesn't carry much of anything because they're so small. But they have two versions each of all three of the Space Trilogy. Maybe they don't need to be re-published. Wink
 

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The version that I have is from 1953. I hasten to add, they are not my books. My parents brought them for the crusader bookshop, but for some reason they kept them..... we have two of Perelandra though...... no idea why. They're both the same editions.

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I'm going to go check what editions my That Hideous Strength and Out of the Silent Planet are... (my Perelandra is missing. I think I lent it out...)

Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green

My OOTSP is old, it used to belong to my dad, but my THS (my old one got lost, so I bought this one last year) is a 2003 edition! They reprinted it! And I know that that bookstore I mentioned before has all three books done in this same style, so they were probably all re-done in '03.

Does that make you feel any better, Parm, Soj, and LL? Mr. Green

 

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THEY REPRINTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAY!!!! YAY!!!!!!

That is great Luthy, I am so glad to hear that Very Happy

 

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I know, me too!!! Mr. GreenMr. GreenMr. Green I think it may be a different publisher than before... not that I understand most of that jargon on the copyright page, but I'm pretty sure it said something about it being the first so-and-so edition. Smile
 

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Parm feels much, much relieved to learn that TST has been reprinted...and
a 21st century reprinting at that! How trendy! I shall have to find copies
and add them to my growing library...the other books about a boy who
goes to a school to learn how to do magic stuff will probably to another place.

 

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Parm, I think these ones might have the same cover illustrations as your "psychadelic" ones. They're rather bright and shiny and colorful... Razz
 

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I have friends sent out to locate some copies for me...and hopefully,
when all our ships come in, we might be able to have some over here.
We have come to a grim decision: we may have to get rid of some other
books to make way for them. However, they are about some boy, whose
glasses need mending from time to time, and they use a lot of Latin
commands, and he goes to a school named after a porcine with skin
problems...we will have room for at least five volumes...or ten, considering
how much room the other five have taken up!

Wink Wink

 

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For Prmiller,
Re: reprints of CS's Space Trilogy.
There are a number of them at Amazon.com.
My favorite set is a hardback edition, publisher Scribner, copyrighted 1973 and 1974, or so, called "Scribner Classics".
I bought these a few years back when my 20 years+ old paperbacks started to fll apart.
CS's space trilogy is my favorite among his writings, though I like them all, and Mere Christianity is a masterpiece of adventuresome lay theology. But I like That Hideous Strength the most!
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Thank you so much for the information. I am writing out my birthday wish list
and it is one of the items...oh how I am hope, hope, hoping!

However it does mean some books leave the collection. How about some of
my Hardy Boy books? I could live with that Very Happy !

 

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I have a set of Hardy Boy books that belonged to my dad when he was a kid!
I need a new copy of That Hideous Strength, mine is in pieces... They do seem to be hard to find offline.

 

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I went to a massively big bookstore in Osaka, and found some interesting finds
by C.S. Lewis / J.R.R. Tolkien, but nothing I to replace copies of books, like
yours, solo, that have begun to fall apart. I remember reading in a library
science journal about the condition of paper in certain paperbacks as being
very fragile. There is a scene in the movie The Time Machine, when our
time-travelling hero finds a library, but reduces it to ashes because the paper
has so badly deteriorated...that is what is happening to some books...now!

 

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I finally found the Space Trilogy in my library! Very Happy
It's hardcover and in good shape.
But speaking of the conditions of books, this is a little off topic, but my Silmarillion book fell apart today when I was looking through Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Wink , and the cover fell off, and several pages too in the beginning, and basically it looks like I've taken it to Mordor and back...
there's this wonderful illustrated copy of the Silmarillion in Chapters I've been looking at for a year now, and it's regrettable that it's 80 dollars.... Shocked well someday I'll get it for sure! Very Happy

 

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Fea! What a most happy discovery!
I hope that you will find little nooks and crannies of time and enjoy the adventures!
Just remember, this was written before the science of Star Trek/Star Wars altered
our perceptions of space, planets and traveling from galaxy to galaxy.

 

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I read 5 pages of the first book last night Very Happy
not much, but it's all I could do with my free time. Wink
I was never much into the "science fiction" star trek/star wars stuff though, but sure I'll keep that in mind.
cheers

 

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Quote - Originally posted by Solosimpe:


Sal, I was wondering why you call it Voyage to Venus? Mine just says Peralandra.


It was originally called Voyage to Venus, then the name was changed on a re-release to Perelandra. (Or was it the other way round? Think it's that way...)

I didn't find it an easy read, especially "Out of the Silent Planet." Probably this was because there were parts full of description and not dialogue, which makes it a little slower-paced.) I also think you have to read it all in one go, because otherwise, if you stop, it might not be that easy to pick up again. It's full of ideas. Having said that, it was wonderfully original, and kind of haunting. "That Hideous Strength" seemed the most frightening, because it was set on earth and believable - quite like 1984 by George Orwell (though less depressing.)

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Huh. I didn't know that either. Thanks for filling us in! Regarding the Space Trilogy, I like Malacandra (sp?) the best of the worlds, though I like Perelandra the best of the three books (mostly for the Dance of Time scene) and the third book, although I've read it, it's the hardest for me to get into. But all three are fascinating reads; I'd recommend them (not as 'replacements' for Narnia, but in addition, of course!).

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Wow, now I really want to read the trilogy. Very, very badly.

I'm just curious on whether there's like a compilation of the books into one book, you know, just like what they had done with The Chronicles of Narnia.
I thought of buying the Cosmic (Space) Trilogy yesterday but the seperate books are just too cumbersome for me.

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I also love the Space Trilogy. I would give anything to meet the creatures in Malacandra, sing with the Hrossa or have a discussion with the Sorns.

That operatic ending in Perelandra where Ransom, Tor and Tinidril, and the eldils, leaves me awestruck every time as well as the Descent of the Gods in That Hideous Strength.

An amazing series altogether.

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My heart nearly breaks from my chest in anticipation of that great day when our
planet shall no longer be silent, when what was corrupted with be transformed,
and there shall be no need for hideous strength, but healing strength.
The Space Trilogy, on several levels, inspires me to think of these things.
Ah, hasten the day! Smile

 

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I had no idea that the space trilogy was so hard to find. They are so wonderful! One of those books you know instinctively you can read many many times over. I've only read them once, but I look forward to many re-reads.
 

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As for re-reads, give it a good month or so between repeat performances.
Life has a way of illustrating the concepts one finds in fine works of literature,
so I like to give time a chance to work its wonders. Smile

 

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Ok, I've read the first book, the second I've started and the first thing I noticed is that C.S. Lewis changes his style completely from the first to the second book. The writing is totally different and I felt, like I was reading a book by a completly different author. Yet, you can still sense his usual thinking style and whatnot. Its quite cool I tell you.

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I was browsing in a bookstore just this afternoon and read in some Lewisiana book or other that Lewis read the second book aloud to the Inklings but wrote the first all on his own. That may accouint for the differences in style.
 

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Hmm, that is interesting and is quite possible. I know my friends help me with my writing style by giving me criticism and stuff.

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It is both a blessing and a bane to have colleagues who work with your writing
styles. Even Lewis had to draw the line on some of the critiques offered by the
Inklings on his works. Even so, as with many things, the benefits outweigh the
problems when it comes to peer-critiquing.

I probably wouldn't do well with too much criticism...sigh...fragile ego strength.

 

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Quote - Originally posted by Queen_Swanwhite:

Quote - Originally posted by Solosimpe:


Sal, I was wondering why you call it Voyage to Venus? Mine just says Peralandra.


It was originally called Voyage to Venus, then the name was changed on a re-release to Perelandra. (Or was it the other way round? Think it's that way...)

I didn't find it an easy read, especially "Out of the Silent Planet." Probably this was because there were parts full of description and not dialogue, which makes it a little slower-paced.) I also think you have to read it all in one go, because otherwise, if you stop, it might not be that easy to pick up again. It's full of ideas. Having said that, it was wonderfully original, and kind of haunting. "That Hideous Strength" seemed the most frightening, because it was set on earth and believable - quite like 1984 by George Orwell (though less depressing.)

Keve xx



Actually, it was first called Perelandra. I know somebody who has a first edition. There was an American paperback edition printed in the 60's which was renamed Voyage to Venus. Just like there is an abridged edition of That Hideous Strength which is called "The Tortured Planet."

 

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I just came across a reference to a work called "The Dark Tower" which is sort of a 4th in the Silent Planet series. However, it was never finished and what there is of it was published after Lewis's death. It evidently involves fallen eldils and paralell universes.

It is generally reviewed poorly and considered to not be one of Lewis's better works, which might explain why he never finished or published it during his life. But there are some literary scholars with another explanation as to why it wasn't published or finished during Lewis's life. They believe it to be a forgery, along with some other works published after his death and that Lewis wasn't the author at all!

Have any of you read it? (It's publised in a collection of short and unfinished Lewis stories.) Below is the article concerning it being a forgery. What do you guys think?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/07/22/nlew22.xml

In response to the question this thread starts with, is this series a "grown-up" Chronicles of Narnia, I would have to say, "Not quite".

For one thing OoTSP was Lewis's first published novel. This series therefore started long before the Narnia series. If anything, it would be more appropriate to say that CoN is a "children's OoTSP". But I don't think that's correct either.

There are some similarities. Aslan/Maleldil are both manifestations of Christ in another world. In THS, Ransom is the "Pendragon" (frankly, I thought this kind of silly) whereas in LWW the Pevensies become the great Kings and Queens foretold by prophecy. Plus, Perlandra contains dragons and mythical creatures like Narnia. Of course, I don't remember any dwarves.

But still the difference are far greater than the similarities. The subject matter is far more serious and far more mature. OoTSP deals with European Imperialism moved to another, pristine, innocent world and with our fallen natures contrasting with those of unfallen creatures. Perelandra (possibly the greatest book written in the 20th century) deals with man's fallen nature, sin, the corruption of sexuality, a very interesting way of viewing the concepts of "feminine" and "masculine" quite apart from the biology of "male" and "female", the unique temptations of the woman regarding noble self-sacrifice, human vanity, spiritul pride at becoming "older" and all sort of other wonderful things.

Also, in Perelandra when Ransom finally decides he has to kill Weston's body, it is a much darker, more deliberate moment than any killing or fighting in CoN. In CoN, any killing the heros do is in response to direct attacks and done in battle when there truly is no other choice. In "Perelandra", Ransom has to make a decision to take out someone who poses no immediate PHYSICAL threat to ANYONE. He has to debate with himself whether this is MURDER or not. (Of course, I was screming at him to kill Weston the first time he thought, "This can't go on". sigh. Yes, I talk to the characters in the books I read. They seldom answer me, though.)

Then THS is more like Stephen King meets Frank Peretti, with Lewis sort of hosting the meeting. The subject matter in this is part spiritual, part political, and not very Narnia like at all.

So, I think that CON and the "Space Trilogy" (a bad name really, considering that Ransom never leaves the planet in THS) really very different works.

All in all, I think Perelandra is the best book by Lewis I've read so far, and it took alot of doing to replace "The Screwtape Letters" on my personal ranking list. I would now rank StL as being tied with OotSP for second, with "VODT" comming in next.

edit:

Another very interesting thing about this thread. I believe it contains one of Solo's very first posts. It is posted on the same day he joined and starts witht the phrase, "I am new here" ... or something like that. Could it be ... I mean ... is it possible ... could this be his very FIRST post?

Finding the first post from someone like Solo is like finding the original copy of Hamurabi's Code, or the original manuscript to the Illiad and the Odessy, or the actual correspondence that Lewis managed to obtain from the infernal regions in order to write "The Screwtape Letters".

 

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I have read "The Dark Tower" and yes, it is rough, as you would expect from an unpublished and incomplete work. But it is intriguing, rather atmospheric work, reminiscent of some of Tolkien's unpublished stories like "The Notion Club Papers".

As to the contraversy over it's authenticity, I am in no position to comment in detail. But as far as I can tell it is based on one person's crusade against Lewis's literary executor (Humphrey Carpenter), without any evidence to support it beyond their opinion.

Mal

edit: As Cockleburr points out, it was Walter Hooper, not Humphery Carpenter

 



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I'm in agreement with Mal. I read Kathryn Lindskoog's book The C.S. Lewis Hoax and came away unconvinced. She seemed to have an axe to grind with Walter Hooper, who managed the C.S. Lewis Estate. It is possible that Lewis toyed with it but sooned abandoned the story, as it is not one of his better works. There were handwriting analysts who analyzed the manuscript and found it authentic.

It has the same eerie quality of another book Lewis read, Voyage to Arcturus by Arthur Lindsay. I read that book and it really gave me the creeps. Lewis himself didn't like the book very much, calling its themes "diabolical," but it did have some spiritual qualities, he believed, and it inspired him to write the Space Trilogy.

But yes, I did read The Dark Tower, and it seems to answer the reference in Out of the Silent Planet that if any space travel happens, it would have to be time traveling as well.

That Hideous Strength is strongly influenced by his close friend Charles Williams, who wrote horror novels he called "spiritual shockers," as well as a lengthy poem on the Arthurian epic. Some reviewers called it "a Charles Williams novel written by Lewis." The points he was trying to make in this book were made in a serious manner in his other book The Abolition of Man, a book well worth reading.

 

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Tolkien did not like the influence of Williams on Lewis's literary imagination and, according to some biographical sources, became somewhat estranged as a result.

Has anyone read much Williams? His books are very hard to find. I have only read one myself.

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Yes, I've read a lot of the books of Charles Williams. His "spiriutal shockers" such as Descent Into Hell, War in Heaven, The Place of the Lion, etc are quite insightful and have a depth to them that is hard to understand at the first reading. He wrote a commentary on Dante called The Figure of Beatrice which is excellent. He also wrote a few theological works such as He Came Down from Heaven, The Descent of the Dove, and a few others. He had a unique way of talking about love and self-sacrifice, and are well worth reading. I see why Lewis was so enamored of him, and his influence can be seen in several of his works.
 

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The Place of the Lion is (I think), the only one I have read. It's been 30 years Shocked
 

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Hello all, last time I was here I read a few pages of Out of the Silent Planet, and now I come back having read the whole trilogy. I love it! I think my favourite book has to be...That Hideous Strength. I'm not sure why some people find it boring, for me it was incredibly interesting...I really like the idea of the eldila/Oyarsa; and all the symbolism regarding Maleldil etc. However, I wouldn't call these books allegorical...

By the way, I bought the reprinted editions of the Space Trilogy, and I really like their new covers...yes they got new covers, which are less psychedelic Razz

"Then THS is more like Stephen King meets Frank Peretti, with Lewis sort of hosting the meeting"

haha... Laughing

Arch, I do believe this thread contains one of Solo's first posts! I wasn't even a member of the forum back then lol. That's cool! hehe...I can't remember what my first post was...it would be interesting to read the old threads someday.

On the Dark Tower: I've never read it, but I heard it's somewhat different from Lewis' other works....I honestly have no idea if it's actually written by Lewis or not. I just read some of his short stories, like 'Ministering Angels' and 'Shoddy Lands' and they are ..very! different from everything else I've read. Has anyone read them?

Cockleburr, I've read a bit of Voyage to Arcturus! I've read that Lewis actually really liked the book! Confused It says that in one of his literature essays (can't remember which one...I think he was giving advice on how to write); and in a conversation he had with some of his (Cambridge?) friends.

I've never read Charles Williams...maybe I should!

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